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Ponkochan Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: Colors & Glass only tell part of the story |
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In this group of black & red Akro corkscrews is (what is probably) a newer Marble King (definitely not an Akro). It is the one in the bottom row..........far right. My brother had it mixed in with these corkscrews in a bag for a number years.
I realized how often I hear people say things like, "This couldn't possibly be a new marble...........I know old glass and this is old." Or "I know my glass and colors and this is definitely Akro, Peltier, etc. glass." It's usually from newer collectors that think that they've got this "ID thingy" down-pat.
Anyone else have any other pictures that illustrate the same thing? _________________ Lizzy
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marrrlee
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 122 Location: ca
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: not sure |
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I'm not sure if this is what you mean Lizzie, but just yesterday, I was going through the marble books, and it is so confusing to me to see marbles that in my opinion, look so darn close to the ones I have, only to post them, and have people tell me they are vacor or jabo?? or wv swirls lol
It seems like the more I learn, the less I know.
the first photos are from the book "Collecting early Machine Made marbles"
and the pictures below them are of my marbles, no wonder newbies get confused
the following are my marbles
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Ponkochan Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I understand exactly how frustrating it can be to try and ID marbles from those pictures in the books! Believe me..........my brother reminds me all the time about how when I first started collecting, I swore that I had a rare marble". I'd read the description and looked at the picture in one of Grist's books and knew that I'd gotten lucky! I had put it in a little baggie labeled "Rare Christensen Orange Peel". Imagine my chagrin when after a while I realized that it was a new black foreign patch type marble!
Anyway I can why you'd see a resemblance between the pics in your book and the marbles that you're showing. However, yours appear to be WV swirls..........maybe some Alley in there. Here are some much better pictures of the CA American Agates. They are mostly hand-gathered (if not all) so you can see the "9 & Tail" construction on them. In some of them, the base glass has an opalescent-type quality to it also.
These are all from Marble Alan's auctions.
Not sure where I got these last 2 pictures........maybe Galen posted it before on LOM?
_________________ Lizzy
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fat freddy's cat
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: not sure |
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Quote: | It seems like the more I learn, the less I know. |
Me too! Thank you Lizzy for id'ing 2 of my red/whites a while back as German slags. I have another 2 which are also a bit different from my pack, though different from each other, and wondered what they are, hope the pic works.
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Ponkochan Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well.......ZZ...........it appears that you have 2 "Drizzle" marbles.
Actually, the one on the left looks like it could be a CA American Agate.........and the one on the right........maybe a CA Bloodie.
But..........I'll defer to the others for right now. I'd love to hear what they think.
P.S. ZZ, part of your picture's URL got "dropped" (or lost)..........so I think that I found the right pics and posted them. _________________ Lizzy
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Ponkochan Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Oh my......now that I look at the pictures again...........I'm thinking that the one on the left may be one of those red & white hand-gathered transitional types.
Someone help! hehe _________________ Lizzy
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fat freddy's cat
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for re-doing my pics. I had to get help from OH just to get some on as I keep missing the moment. A while back someone showed me how to upload from 'tinypics' but I couldn't find it tonight - would be really grateful to see this info again. Great topic, still could go anywhere.... I just latched onto the red/white bit. _________________ Ziggyzora |
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Ponkochan Site Admin
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lstmmrbls Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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I am not seeing American Agate in those 2 marbles. (I could not say no with 100% conviction from the pics)The White does not look correct . Maybe a type of crease pontil on the left and I really can't tell on the right marble. Peace,Galen _________________ Peace,Galen |
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browse4antiques
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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One on left seems to be a messed up Pinch-pontil. Here's a nice example of your point about glass colors. Left is (I think) Champion swirl, Right is a corkscrew. ...Roger
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