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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: mfc cobalt brick? or 9 with tail slag? |
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Here is a pretty marble I just purchased from a seller on Ebay. It has the, at least to my novice eyes, classic 9 and cut tail of some hand gathered slags. But what about the possibility of a brick or paver? I have noticed some typed pavers that do have blues, yellows and greens in them, along with oxblood. So what about this opaque white and transparent cobalt color scheme? The marble is 5/8" and in good condition. I think it is from the MFC line-up. Please let me have it with your thoughts on this. Does oxblood or any mixture of oxblood have to be present in order for it to be called a brick or paver?
 
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Bricks(sometimes also called pavers) are all Oxblood marbles that occasionally have other colored glass in them. Not the other way around.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Galen!
Okay, I was poking around in the archives, and there is an extensive thread about paver and bricks and oxblood and different colors. It is mentioned by a member that bricks or pavers sometimes come in colors other than oxblood, but are extremely rare.
Now, I don't know enough to even guess, so that was the intent of my post. Sounds like this is one of those questions that not everyone agrees on and never will. It is intriguing to me to read that there are in fact examples of bricks and pavers without oxblood, but the general public will never see them. Maybe this is marble urban myth.
So, given that my marble is not a brick or paver, what is it please? I see and read about the "9" and cut tail on slags. That makes sense to me because that is what it looks like. Who manufactured these obvious "9" slags? and are they handgathered? transitionals?
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Brick is a term originally used for solid Oxblood marbles by kids. When beat up they look just like red building breick. In the last few years some folks have bastardized the name to include marble that they believe resemble bricks. I would never call a non-oxblood marble a brick.
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| For sure your marble is a hand-gathered "9-and-tails" construction. This construction was used by several known, and some unknown manufacturers. It is usually the case that any given marble could have been made by any of several manufacturers, as the techniques were similar, and results varied so much marble to marble. If your marble is completely smooth over the cutoff end (opposite the "9"), then it would be categorized as a hand-gathered slag. If there is a distinct mark that breaks the surface (an indented crease, or raised rough spot) then it would be categorized as a transitional. From what I see, yours has characteristics that are typical of MFC examples, but then I also see some characteristics of Arko ones as well. People who have spent time with slags know not to take the idea of a positive identification too seriously. ... Roger |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: 9 'n tail |
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| browse4antiques wrote: | | For sure your marble is a hand-gathered "9-and-tails" construction. This construction was used by several known, and some unknown manufacturers. It is usually the case that any given marble could have been made by any of several manufacturers, as the techniques were similar, and results varied so much marble to marble. If your marble is completely smooth over the cutoff end (opposite the "9"), then it would be categorized as a hand-gathered slag. If there is a distinct mark that breaks the surface (an indented crease, or raised rough spot) then it would be categorized as a transitional. From what I see, yours has characteristics that are typical of MFC examples, but then I also see some characteristics of Arko ones as well. People who have spent time with slags know not to take the idea of a positive identification too seriously. ... Roger |
Thanks for that! The transitional phase was really confusing me as I was reading some older posts on various sites. That will help remove some of the questions I had. I am pleased that my marble is what I thought it was. There is no sign of a cut line--either by feel or with a lens. It is smooth as glass. I have a few more that don't have such a well defined "9" on them. I will post them up later. I am getting a strong sense that a lot of the named marble-types that are frequently mentioned are not really an accurate way to identify a marble. More of a better way to describe it. Thanks Roger!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: spewing oxblood |
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| lstmmrbls wrote: | | Brick is a term originally used for solid Oxblood marbles by kids. When beat up they look just like red building breick. In the last few years some folks have bastardized the name to include marble that they believe resemble bricks. I would never call a non-oxblood marble a brick. |
That makes perfect sense. Now, I had posted earlier that I was never going to be able to identify oxblood until I had one in hand, at your suggestion. Well, I've been busy buying on Ebay and now have enough of them to really confuse as to their names. I know Akro is the maker, but I have to believe that there are accepted names for different styles of oxblood marbles. That is my next line a questions: accepted names for Akro oxblood marbles. Anybody have a working list that I can use to start organizing my marbles? I have to purchase a display case now, but I won't display any of them until I know their common or accepted types or names or both.
Galen, thanks for all your help. I am starting to admire your no frills knowledge of marbles.
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Here are some of the better marbles from the group you won. There are 2 Akro Oxbloods. And a few other neat ones.
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| orbboy wrote: | Here are some of the better marbles from the group you won. There are 2 Akro Oxbloods. And a few other neat ones.
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Well, you just rained on my parade! 
No worries...I was just getting ready to post those akro oxbloods. They are both 3/4". The one on the right uv's like crazy. The first one has less uv glow, but only the glass in the white swirls.
Moss agates?? 
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Thanks, I try to keep confusion to a minimum. It can be very tough in this hobby full of so many variables. I have heard baby steps is a great way to learn. And we are all still learning.
Some names for Akro marbles with OX.
Mostly or all Ox=brick
Swirl types=Milky Ox Silver Ox
Moss agate swirl types with Ox=lemonade Ox, Limeade Ox Blue Ox
Corkscrews= Blueblood and Blackbloods= Blue or black corks on white with Oxblood on top of the blue or black cork, also solid ox corks on a variety of bases. White clear yellow orange custardare some I have seen
Chocolate Ox= Brown base Oxblood patch
There are a variety of patches as for names??? Blue red and clear base and a few translucent bases(redish) Also a variety of white base with different color patches with Oxblood patch. Probably missed a bunch.
And for all of you that passed out after reading a post in which I gave out so many names I apologize. And I ask for forgiveness from my fellow NHA club members
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