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Let's see smore pics of that ugly brown one (2nd row right). May be the best of the bunch, to me anyway.
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Doogle
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| 1DanS wrote: | Let's see smore pics of that ugly brown one (2nd row right). May be the best of the bunch, to me anyway.
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I will try this afternoon. The marble is actually a light pinkish/lavendar color. The photo is not dead on. I really can't see any brown tones at all. Anyway, look for more photos soon.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 1DanS wrote: | Let's see smore pics of that ugly brown one (2nd row right). May be the best of the bunch, to me anyway.
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I had a heck of a time with my Canon Powershot. The white balance would not set correctly for this marble. You are right in the sense that it looks muddy brown, but it does have a plum colored tint to the transparent glass, and the opaque has a slight pink tint.
My guess, as a newbie, is CAC slag. And a really early one. But that is only from limited reading and available pictures to compare to.
Please let me know what you think about this marble. It is 5/8" or so (I measure with a wooden ruler). From my knowledge of collecting old western blown glass bottles, that looks like a knarly pontil to me.
Thanks for your interest and anxiously awaiting a response!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| That one is a transitional. It is 9-and-tails, but the "9" is so wide that it takes up the top half of the marble, and makes it difficult to see as a "9". The cutoff (sometimes called a pontil) is the best way to determine the maker, but in this case, I think it could be either one of the early USA makers, usually refered to as Navarre, or it could be German. Both made marbles that look similar. ... Roger |
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1DanS
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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You have a very early (late 1800's) American handmade marble, made right here in Ohio. James Leighton started several companies around this time in Ohio.
The colors are right for this type, transparent purlpe and opaque white. No shades of pink though, it's just the white under and close to the surface of the purple.
It has a melted pontil, and the "loop" coming out of it would suggest it was made at his Navarre, Ohio plant.
Brian Graham has a great site where you can learn more about this type of marbles.
http://akronmarbles.com/navarre_glass_marble_and_specialty_co.htm
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There are German ones, such as in my pic here, that look a lot like the one posted. The German ones have a different cutoff (pontil) which appears much the same as handmade pontils of the same era. The USA ones are melted, with a wider circular area affected. The posted one seems not exactly like one would expect for either kind, so I remain unsure about the maker. ... Roger
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: early american marble |
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| browse4antiques wrote: | There are German ones, such as in my pic here, that look a lot like the one posted. The German ones have a different cutoff (pontil) which appears much the same as handmade pontils of the same era. The USA ones are melted, with a wider circular area affected. The posted one seems not exactly like one would expect for either kind, so I remain unsure about the maker. ... Roger
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Thank you for all the great info! I am pleased that this little marble has some early history. It is an ugly ducklying to be sure.....but with the attributes and pedigree..well, I love it!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: old marble |
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| 1DanS wrote: | You have a very early (late 1800's) American handmade marble, made right here in Ohio. James Leighton started several companies around this time in Ohio.
The colors are right for this type, transparent purlpe and opaque white. No shades of pink though, it's just the white under and close to the surface of the purple.
It has a melted pontil, and the "loop" coming out of it would suggest it was made at his Navarre, Ohio plant.
Brian Graham has a great site where you can learn more about this type of marbles.
http://akronmarbles.com/navarre_glass_marble_and_specialty_co.htm
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Thank you!! You have provided great information! I have read about the early Navarre and Leighton (I think I have a few cruets of his) glass works. It is nice to know I have an example. Thanks again for the dope!!! (info, for those who don't reckon).
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Roger;
I am interested as to why you say your marble is German.
Looks like a nice example of one of Leighton's marbles from here. If it is the pontil, I have seen some Leighton's where the cut/shear was so clean there was no need to remelt it, thus leaving a "regular" pontil.
Don't mean to highjack this thread, just curious.
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| Hi Dan, I didn't realize that some of the USA ones are not melted. I am quite confident that there are early German ones that are snipped off, almost like handmades are. This ' regular pontil' type is likely on a continuum with the 'pin pontil' type because they seem to show up in all the same glass, including the red on white opaque ones. Also, the actual pontil can be found in a state that is part way between the two. So I always think first about the German ones when I see an unmelted rough pontil, but I suppose it may be one of those grey areas for which we can't be sure. (there is a second type of German (?) 'regular pontil' type that appear to all be left-handed, and have a sort of twirled regular (sometimes indented) pontil). Do you have any pics of the ones that are Leighton but unmelted? ... Roger |
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