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tankgrrl29 Moderator
Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 2824 Location: In the Study, with Miss Scarlet and the rope
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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the 3 in the bottom row look distinctly different to me than the anacortes ones in the top row. they seem to match the cullet sandy showed. i know there is a range in variety in the alleys, some with more and some with less of the brown.
i seem to remember mine being fluorescent. someone remind me to dig them up to check |
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marblemover
Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 114 Location: Vancouver USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: |
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i wonder: is the Alley cullet translucent? _________________ aventurine happens,
paula |
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orbboy
Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Very intresting thread. There are some questions that need to be answered.
The ones in the first two pics. Are they all from the dig site? If so who can back them up? Ron could be a huge help here.
Who are the people who wrote the book? Are they creditable? Never heard of them. (Not bashing just asking). Personally I think books suck for learning about marbles. Save your money and buy marbles instead IMHO.
Why is there a Peltier Pearlized Patch in there????? (yeah it looks like one to me too.)
Could this be a case of buying up other makers marbles to sell themselves. Or vise-versa? Looks like some Akro Royals in there as well.
Yep intresting. But. Without any real info can we sure.
I have some like the ones that started the thread. I have them with my Vitro marbles based on years old info. That cullet is too close in colour though. Looks like they need to be moved. |
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marblemover
Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 114 Location: Vancouver USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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well, i do not know the authors personally, so i can't answer that question.
i do see that they say "Moss Agates: Found in blue, red, yellow, orange, and green, the green has two shades, one of which is not seen from any other factory." (bold added for emphasis)
if the patch that seems to look like a pearlized patch is described as "not seen from any other factory" then it probably doesn't look like a pearlized patch in reality. the picture (which was taken, processed or digitized, printed on paper, then scanned by me, and then digitized at least twice more) is probably just foolin' us into thinkin it's got a pearlized patch in it.
i agree that books CAN suck for learning about marbles--UNLESS you read every one you can get your hands on! it is when you can research everything (from all sources) that you will have the most information.
i have thought for a long time that more manufacturers MUST have made patches than we were told about in "the books."
both Alley and Vitro were contemporary...(wasn't Lawrence Alley one of the original owners of Vitro?)...so there could have been exchange of glass between them. (i still think that blue is Vitro, tho) _________________ aventurine happens,
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The Marble Monkey Moderator
Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Monkey World
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The ones in the first two pics. Are they all from the dig site? |
If you are talking about the very first post of Sandy's then......Yes
Quote: | If so who can back them up? |
Me, I was there also!
If Alley started in 1929 with Lawrence Alley and since this is where these items were dug and Vitro started in 1932 by Fisher, Alley, and Lindsey.
Then I would say that the blue is an Alley color.
TMM
Edit: bottom 3 mibs (L to R) are Alley |
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orbboy
Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nope I was talking about the 2 pics Paula posted marked Alley Agates Sisterville W.V I don't doubt the cullet Sandy shows at all. |
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The Marble Monkey Moderator
Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Monkey World
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I have found 7 of the styles posted in those pics plus several not pictured.
I would say that the one you are thinking is a PP is not. It's just the angle of the pic.
Also, looking at Bob's pic, I would say Alley given that base glass is exactly like all that I have found at the digs.
TMM |
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Poplarhead
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 72
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: Reason for Similar Blue? |
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I wonder if the reason for similar blue was the scrap glass may have come from same source - Vitrolite Glass, etc?
I would imagine many marble makers got their glass from same cullet source.
Don |
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Ponkochan Site Admin
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 2627 Location: Southeast
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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tankgrrl29 wrote: | the 3 in the bottom row look distinctly different to me than the anacortes ones in the top row. they seem to match the cullet sandy showed. i know there is a range in variety in the alleys, some with more and some with less of the brown.
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Chris, my thinking was that the 3 in the bottom row might be from Vitro's Vienna era........ which would be why they would look "cheaper" than the Anacortes ones.
But since Steve says that they've dug similar types with the brown striations at the Alley site, now my thinking is more along the lines of Alley. _________________ Lizzy
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sandycattzz
Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 843 Location: with Waldo
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Hi Lizzy!
Here's closer look at a piece of cullet that I found at Alley.
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