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spara50
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 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: Citrus Style Peltier Marble Boxes |
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Here's a couple boxes of Peltier Citrus style marbles with a few red angels and clear base ketchup & mustards thrown in.
I think these clear based k&m marbles were run about the time of these citrus and tracer groups based on finding them together in groups. Not sure.
The yellow and purples (look black) are Plums.
Craig
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Al Oregon
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice box! |
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vince
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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That's really a beautiful box of marbles!
- Dan |
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spara50
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys. There are actually two boxes shown here. Wasn't sure if I made that very clear...lol. 
Craig |
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moremarbles4me
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Craig both boxes are KILLER!!!
Charles |
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tankgrrl29
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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i love those marbles!
hey craig, looks like you might have an "extra" lemon plum. if it's for sale, please PM me |
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marblegrl
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Craig,
In the next to last pic What are the green mibs?
And do you have an extra one for sale?
Joe R. |
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Ponkochan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Here's a couple boxes of Peltier Citrus style marbles with a few red angels and clear base ketchup & mustards thrown in.
I think these clear based k&m marbles were run about the time of these citrus and tracer groups based on finding them together in groups. Not sure. Craig (spara50) |
Ok, what am I missing here?
Aren't the clear based K&M considered part of the Citrus set?
Craig, aren't the clear K&Ms that you're showing here, the same type as in this pic?
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spara50
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Joe, good to see you posting it's been awhile! As far as what the green citrus style marbles are called I really don't think there is a name for them yet. These are the only ones I have, but ask Charles he may have one like it for sale. I think I saw one on his table in Council Bluffs.
Lizzy - I see that Steve posted one of the clear K&M's in his citrus set picture. I don't think anyone has officially said what is and what isn't part of the citrus group because new ones are popping up from time to time. (Blueberry, etc)
It doesn't bother me to add it to the group, but it just doesn't meet the criteria of all the other citrus marbles shown since it has a clear base glass. That's just my opinion and means nothing.
I still feel it was made about the same time though. Tracers, Red and Blue Angels seem to be about the same time line as well, but we aren't putting them in with the citrus group.
Chris - I just put this set together this week, but as the box develops a bit and I change things around I will let you know if the Plum is available.
If anyone wants to help name the green citrus marbles in the box with 12 same runs feel free to throw out some suggestions. These came in the same group as the four liberty style marbles in the bottom row of the box. And 3 or 4 of these have blue and green ribbons in them like the colors were changing over on the run.
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Ponkochan
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Ok.............I think that I've got it now!  I had to go research my "archives" to figure out what I was thinking.
It seems that either Norman Brown or Smitty named the original Citrus set. The clear based K&M were found with the original group, so were included in the what was originally called a "Citrus Set". (even though it had a different base glass) This would be the ones included in this pic by Mr. Dorkmo.
Here's the story and descriptions of the Citrus sets, by Smitty and the link below will take you to this thread with all the other details and pics.
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I'll try to tell the story without writing a novel. Several years ago, on ebay a seller from N.J. was offering a group of 5 unusual Peltiers, which is what I collect, if I remember it correctly, I didn't get the first group. Then they sold another group, which I won. Then they put on another group! Which I also won.I politely asked them how many groups they were going to be selling and since I was the high bidder on 2 of the groups, "how much if I bought the rest?" They sent me a list of the remaining Peltiers and a price. It wasn't cheap, in fact, there was no way I could afford it even though it was reasonable. So I turned them over to a well known collector friend of mine who lives in Eastern PA (H.D.) and he drove over and purchased them.
The seller explained that they were all in one large jar out of an estate. There was an unusual version of the Liberty, a version of the Christmas Tree, a white base with purple and yellow (lemon and plum), a clear mustard and ketchup (and Mayo) and a white base with orange, lemon, lime stripes.....THE CITRUS. There were not an even number of the different types, very few lemon and plum and liberty, so the sets of 5 were sold very quickly. The largest quantity was of the Citrus, which was o.k. because they were my favorite, I had not seen them before and have yet to see one that did not originate from this group. I believe them to be experimental or a very short run!
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http://marbleconnection.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=2314&hl=citrus
Since then, there have been a few others found that seemed related to the Citruses, including the Blueberry Citrus.
So, Mr. Dorkmo made up another group shot of Citruses, that he's titled Citrus Revisited (without the Ketchup & Mustard). (below) This would include only the types that have the translucent white base glass and shows the newer "additions". I labeled these but wasn't sure about the one (1:00 position) that looks like maybe a "Citrus Xmas Tree" variant.
Does it have a name yet?
What Mr. Dorkmo added to the thread:
| Quote: | Smitty
I got mine from my ole buddy Stormin (Norman) Brown 2 years ago out here on the left coast........he had at least 8 sets I think, maybe more...........I'm not sure if he got in on the orginal buy from the folks in NJ or got them from you but whatever I'm glad he did...........I know he had a few complete sets left in Vegas this year............if anyone is interested I can hook them up.............
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I was never quite sure the K&M was a fit with the rest of the examples but if they were all found together I guess they are.........
Thanks for the info
Steve
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There are 2 subtypes of Citrus. One type has a pastel green while the other has a translucent or relish type green.
Here's are 2 group pictures posted by Charles (moremarbles4me) that are showing these sub-types.
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Additional information that Sami posted on Lou's board providing more background on these.
| Quote: | Hello,
here is the information I got from my friend Norm Brown regarding the story behind the Citrus set. It brings a little more light to the discovery and the naming of the set, but still doesn't give info on their production timetable. I believe they were late NLR, but only as a speculation. Here is Norm's letter:
"Prior to 1999, a New Jersey couple who are marble collectors purchased a jar of mixed marbles
at a garage sale in Illinois. In this jar were several types of Peltier marbles including the five types listed below which comprise what is now known as the 'Citrus Set'.
1999: Two sets were sold through Danny Turner's Running Rabbit Auction.
a. Catalog #39, Item #257.
b. Catalog #41, Item #306.
1999-2000: Three more sets were sold on ebay. I was the eventual recipient of set #2 and having obtained direct contact with the sellers, purchased additional groups over the next few months. When the additional marbles were recieved, I personally evaluated the marbles and named the two types which had no obvious identity. The Yellow and purple I named Lemon-plum, (to echo the well known Lemon-Lime), and the marbles containing ribbons of yellow, orange, and green I named Citrus because it uniquely contained those colours. After showing and selling three sets in Seattle, the group quickly became known as the 'Citrus Set'. The five marbles comprising the set: Christmas Tree, Liberty, Lemon-Plum, Citrus, (these four have a translucsent base), and a Ketchup & Mustard with a transparent base. Several of the Christmas Trees and Liberties have orange as well as red ribbons.
I bought a total of 10 sets plus a few extra examples of the most numerous, Citrus, Christmas Tree, and K&M. At this time, there were no more complete sets available from the seller. A few marbles of this type have turned up in the wild and of course, the original seller could have sold more simultaneously, so I conclude that some twenty sets are in existance. One set was available at the 2001 Amana show, and others on the West Coast while top price for a set that I know of was $2000.00.
Norm Brown January, 2006 |
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